1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 And we understand that you had made two sightings of unidentified flying objects on the night 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,000 of October 31st and November 1st. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Yeah. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:16,000 I wonder if we could get a description of your experience of both of those things. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Yeah. 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Right from the beginning, just as it happened to you right from the beginning. 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Well, going over around about a quarter after eight, what night, last Friday night. 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:39,000 I lived by clear water junction and I found what appeared to be an airplane dropping down 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 behind the mountain. 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Uh-huh. 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:47,000 And I immediately stopped there at the junction and turned it into the Deer Lodge County Sheriff. 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,000 And they sent some planes out looking for it. 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000 They couldn't find anything, I found out. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Well, on my way over, I thought it was a good thing to know it was moving too fast to be an airplane. 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,000 But I know, I just figured it was a meteor or something. 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Yes. 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 What did this object look like? 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Well, that time I couldn't read the log, I could see it was green. 19 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,000 A green light flashing. 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Just all green? 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Yeah. 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Okay. 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Do you have any idea how far away it was? 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Well, it was approximately five or six, between five and seven miles, I think. 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Uh-huh. 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:40,000 And then, when I was coming back from the Harlem, I was over north-west of Harlem, a little ways. 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:48,000 And just starting to pull a path, getting ready to pull a path, about a mile from the bottom of it. 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,000 And everything on the truck was working fine, my load problems whatsoever. 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:02:00,000 And all of a sudden, my lights went out, my engine shut off, well, this will happen with those battery cable breaks on one of those things. 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,000 So I just, of course, start to pull them to a stop. 31 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:09,000 And then this down thing came over the top of me and hovered about, stopped about 100 yards ahead of me there, 32 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 and 50 feet off the ground, that's where they held me. 33 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Just right over the, it was hovering right over the highway? 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Yeah. 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Uh-huh. 36 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Now, would you give us a description of that object as detailed as you can? 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Well, it's, uh, it's approximately 50 feet in diameter, and I'd say 25 or 30 feet high. 38 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Uh-huh. 39 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:50,000 They have a big bubble-like object on top, and a smaller one on the bottom, which is where the real bright, bright search light was, that they had on me. 40 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Oh, they were directing a beam of light on you? 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Yeah. 42 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 Okay, what color was that beam? 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Light. 44 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Okay. 45 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Then on the outside edge, there's, uh, four green flashing lights, which are the same thing that I saw at Claywater Drunches four hours before. 46 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:18,000 And the object just remained stationary over the highway at all, at all times? 47 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Yeah. 48 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Approximately, how long was it there? 49 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Uh, I'd say five minutes. 50 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Okay, now when it left, did it take off with just a casual motion or was it high speed? 51 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Oh, real high speed. 52 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 I see. 53 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Yeah, as far as you're going to see, I'll notice that you. 54 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,000 And how far away do you figure it was from you? 55 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Under a yard. 56 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Okay. 57 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Did you hear any sound? 58 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Uh, real loud turbine lights, like big turbines on a plane or something of this order. 59 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Okay. 60 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,000 But there was no turbulence from it. 61 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Okay, now, what color was the object itself? 62 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:09,000 I'd say, uh, a shiny gray or silver color. 63 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Uh-huh. 64 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:15,000 I couldn't see it too good on a color, but the light shining in my eyes. 65 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 I see, okay. 66 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Before everything, before they turned out on to me, I didn't hear it said to be, uh, 67 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,000 whether it was gray or in that category. 68 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Okay, how long was the object covering in front of you before they turned that shaft of light onto you? 69 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Just a few seconds. 70 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Okay, now did they turn that off before the object left? 71 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,000 No, it was still on, and I found it really top of the mountain. 72 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 I see, okay. 73 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Now how about that bubble top? 74 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Was there any light coming from it? 75 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 I have to like it see. 76 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:56,000 I can't say what, the light was the damn bright, but, uh, I didn't look into it, just a little bit, 77 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 just as long as I make my eyes burn. 78 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 I see. 79 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,000 In other words, this light that they were directing on you was actually diffusing your vision then. 80 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Yeah. 81 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Okay. 82 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Now those colored lights, were they stable or were they moving at all? 83 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Well, they were, they were staying still, you know, but they were flashing. 84 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Flashing off and on? 85 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Yeah. 86 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Did it seem to have any, uh, pattern? 87 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Were they in unison or sequence at all? 88 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Well, it, I don't know what you thought. 89 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,000 They all seem to have a pattern, let's do the flashing. 90 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,000 Did they flash? 91 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 I don't know, no, no. 92 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Light behind it would come out and then one to the side would come out and on. 93 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,000 And it would just continue that sequence? 94 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Yeah. 95 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Okay. 96 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,000 How far off of the highway was this object? 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 About 50 feet above the ground. 98 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Okay. 99 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Now, while you were sitting there and watching this, uh, did you have any unusual physical feelings at all? 100 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Not while I was sitting there. 101 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:14,000 After the thing left, I felt, uh, like, supernatural powers, you know. 102 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Uh-huh. 103 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Like, I, I, I felt like I could have picked up the word and threw it over my shoulder. 104 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 I see, okay. 105 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Well, I talked to guys that are paramedics and whatnot and they say this is from the adrenaline moving in my system so fast that the system couldn't take it. 106 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Okay. 107 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,000 I don't know how much truth it was to rip it. 108 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Well, did this, did this experience frighten you? 109 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Frighten me? 110 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Yes. 111 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Yes. 112 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Okay. 113 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Did you have the feeling by any chance, uh, while all this was occurring that you were being watched? 114 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Uh, yeah. 115 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:00,000 I had the feeling that they were, uh, you might say, checking me out. 116 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Yes. 117 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:30,000 The truck I drove, I pulled a big tank and I, I'm caught under, well, I don't know if it's called impression or what, but to the effect that if, you know, our heart broke, man, the powder stuff in my eye kind of had to be just checking my load out to see, checking me in plus the load to see if there was an energy supply. 118 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,000 There was force of energy? 119 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Yes. 120 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Were you carrying the same load on the previous sighting? 121 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 I was empty then. 122 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Okay. 123 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 I was going over to get my load. 124 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Did you ever get out of the truck while this was going on? 125 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Well, I started to. 126 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 I helped the door open. 127 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Well, it just kind of, I don't know, I just kind of froze right there in the seat. 128 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Did you have the impression that maybe this object had something to do with you staying in the truck? 129 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 No. 130 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Okay. 131 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Now, did you have any physical feelings such as tingling sensation or numbing in any part of your body? 132 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 No, I didn't. 133 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Okay. 134 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Have you had any physical defects or mental problems since this has happened to you? 135 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Not that I can say, no. 136 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,000 I, I think about it all the time, you know, I'm a little mad. 137 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Have you dreamt about it at all? 138 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Yes. 139 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Okay. 140 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Are you dreaming just a reoccurrence of what you experienced? 141 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Yeah, a lot. 142 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:41,000 I get to know about what might have happened to me. 143 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Yes. 144 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 I do this quite often. 145 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Okay. 146 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Were there any other witnesses besides yourself? 147 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,000 No. 148 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,000 You were the only one? 149 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Yeah. 150 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Okay. 151 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Now, when that object was hovering over the highway, did it have any motion or movement of any kind? 152 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,000 No, it just stopped. 153 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 It was hanging from no strings or something. 154 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,000 It didn't move a bit. 155 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 And how long was that under observation again? 156 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 About five minutes. 157 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 About five minutes, okay. 158 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000 It stopped my watch for that long anyway. 159 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 It did? 160 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Yeah. 161 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Okay. 162 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,000 So you had that watch checked out for magnetic problems at all? 163 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 No, it didn't. 164 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,000 It seems to be running all right now. 165 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Were you playing a radio in the truck at the time? 166 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Yeah. 167 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 Did that also go out? 168 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Everything. 169 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Everything? 170 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Everything electrical went out. 171 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 Okay. 172 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 Do you by any chance have shortwave or CB radio in the truck? 173 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,000 I've got a two-way radio in it, yeah. 174 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Did you try using that? 175 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 Yeah, I could. 176 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:55,000 It was off because it's real loud, but then it got a humming sound to it and there wasn't a sound there. 177 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Okay, now did you use it at any time right after your experience? 178 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000 No. 179 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Okay. 180 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:09,000 And there were no major mechanical defects to the truck other than the fact that the engine or the electrical system went out? 181 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:21,000 We haven't been able to find it and we have been worried that the engine was hot and we're working it and shut it down in that bigger hurry. 182 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Well, it's possible. It could have done something to it, but we haven't been able to find anything yet. 183 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 It hasn't yet anyway. 184 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Okay. 185 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Have you seen anything else in the sky since this experience? 186 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 No, I haven't. 187 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,000 All right. 188 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,000 What was your opinion of these objects prior to your experience? 189 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 I was kind of a half-waste believer in them. 190 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,000 I figured there's got to be somebody in this world smarter than what we are that can do this kind of stuff. 191 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Yes. 192 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:00,000 And this is my opinion of them, but I'm a full believer in it. 193 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Okay. 194 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:16,000 Did you have any strange feelings or any premonition type feelings prior to the time that you saw the second object? 195 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 No. 196 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Okay. 197 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Okay. 198 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Now, if we send you a questionnaire, would you take the time to fill it in? 199 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Yeah. 200 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:45,000 I'm more or less than trying to just put, getting to the down tower to everybody. 201 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:53,000 I'm pretty well known in the valley here and everybody I see, I got to explain it to them, you know. 202 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Oh, I see. 203 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:03,000 I'm getting kind of tired of that and I just kind of like to try to forget about the whole damn thing as much as I can. 204 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Have you had any other agencies calling you on this? 205 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000 No, I haven't. 206 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Okay. 207 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Well, we did too. 208 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:19,000 There's some, I forget what they call them, so very often out of my own co-operators or something like that. 209 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Where were they located? 210 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Just there. 211 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Ready? 212 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Where was that other object from that's called the bus? 213 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Yeah, they've got a branch here in Kalisfeld. 214 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:45,000 They've got members here at the Research Committee on Heriotic Phenomena. 215 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Oh, I see. 216 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Okay. 217 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,000 It's not a federal agency or anything like that. 218 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Right. 219 00:12:52,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Well, sir, we sure appreciate you're talking to us on this matter and if you happen to see anything in the future where we'd like to hear from you. 220 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Okay. 221 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Thank you very much. 222 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000 You're welcome. 223 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 Goodbye.